I don't think that would happen too often if the guy already used up a slot for Wobbufett.

What are you talking about?

Why is Castform in NU, when Linoone is in BL and Mightyena is in UU, when they have the same total base stats? > ( + ) I math.

I'm gonna have to say with all the new physical sweeper power in the game as well as new moves like power whip and physical thunder punch that milotic just ain't what it used to be.

I'm never seen one do well since the new generation. I mean they can't switch in as safetly anymore. I mean I knock them out with a dragonite. They think they can switch in and ice beam, but they just get smashed. Not even by thunder punch.

Since my last list of opinions I've come to the conclusion that Donphan is an awesome pokemon, his stats are just great and his move set is solidly useful.

In regards to the castform question, linoone is fast and therefore can do Something, and I assume mightyena has a better more set or something.

But, Castform has Forecast and Weather Ball... .

NONE of these deserve to be on the ranks of OU. Some of them would have been last gen., but as we know times have changed and so has the metagame pecking order.

Alakazam is not OU because it lost its glitter when the elemental punches on it became useless, and numerous new evolutions rushed in to take its place. There are just far better things now. Same goes for Dugtrio, there are just far better things in the metagame now.

Gallade is too slow to be of any value unless equipped with a Choice Scarf, and relying on Scarf does not an OU contender make.

Houndoom and Jolteon are not nearly good enough. Jolteon really hasn't improved or gotten worse since the start of 4th gen., BUT again, more things have gotten better, and more things have rushed in to steal its spot. Houndoom's special movepool leaves a lot to be desired and is too fragile and a bit too slow to manage a Nasty Plot setup.

Machamp, as much as I like it, is simply not used often enough to be "over used." You can't put something in a tier with a metagame when they have no part in said metagame.

Milotic, Swampert, and Suicune were all tough bulky waters in 3rd gen., but once again, other things have become better. I feel Swampert has maintained its status the best, but all of them deserve to be knocked down to BL.

Rampardos? NO. Rampardos is too fragile to take a hit, and too slow to attempt to get in a hit before dying a miserable death. Again, it's not even used often enough to be considered over used.

You can't call Shaymin OU in a time and setting when you can't even *legally* have a Shaymin. Almost every battler will have a clause about hacks, and that includes the chia pet too. Once Shay's time comes, I could see it being OU, but until then, it doesn't belong *anywhere.*

Spiritomb is meant to be a tank, as we can see by its stats, but its HP is below satisfactory and its options for tanky moves is less than wide. Another that belongs in BL.

Lastly, Torterra is *NOT* OU! This is starting to remind me of Marriland's ugly tier list, where they disclaim that it's not based on the actual metagame, but rather the ones with the highest stats. Torterra might have the stats to cut it on Marriland's tier list, but let's face it--it's 4x weak to WEAVILE, questionably one of the most OU pokemon in the metagame. It can't really do much of anything, not even have a good moveset with 4 good attacking moves.

Dude, you don't Scarf Gallade. You Scarf Medicham. Gallade is attacking and status support.

^Dude, I am not a dude, and dude, Gallade won't get an attack or status support in if it's too slow, now, will it?

Ok, so I suppose we should scarf Cressy and Bliss too. :/

Gallade is great defensively, in case you haven't noticed.

can u back up ur point for once
sure gallade has nice spDef (base 115 i think) but its defense stinks
sure this goes for snorlax too, but snorlax can curse up its def and its atk as well, and it has mountains of HP
can gallade curse? does gallade have mountains of HP? can gallade improve its horrid defense? (sure theres WoW/refelect, but the average sweeper can still 2hko it)
if u look at gallade's highest stat, its attack, u can think of better ways to use gallade=>as a sweeper and most pair scarf to make up for its horrid spd

c-scarf on gallade? no,c-scarf on medicham= good

gallade is mainly meant to be a wall killer with it's good defences,good attack and movepool,regardless what you may say about his def stat w.o.w helps him in that spot.

i mean w.o.w good sp.def and atleast 336 hp gives him great leftover recovery allowing him to take small hits from other tanks,and hit them back harder with his massive att on top of that support moves when properly timed can screw you're opponent over.

most walls are weak to gallades stab moves,and the ones that aren't really dont like sleep/paralyz/burn,see this psy/fighter isnt meant to sweep medicham is,this guy is meant to destroy you're opponents resources by hurting his defences and maybe cripling his offence if you're good at predicting,dont underestimate gallade in ou it's one hell of a pokemon.

umm no. on a tank/sponge, u need to depend on sth other than lefties
weezing/dusknoir/spiritomb has pain split
blissey has softboiled
skarm has roost
snorlax has stability to rest
heck, umbreon can have moonlight
what does gallade have? at most, rest, which isnt gonna cut it. this gives ur opponent a free switch to and a chance to 1hko gallade. now u have two choices:
switch out and have a sleeping poke on ur team
die.
also, WoW/Reflect only makes gallade def RESPECTABLE, vs. weezing/dusknoir/spiritomb using WoW to just humiliate and put down physical sweepers. skarm already has natural, and very high, defense, so it doesnt need a trash filler like reflect to make it physical sponge. bliss is one of, if not the best, special sponges, with mammoth HP and very good spDef (higher than gallade, if i can add). snorlax curses, which makes it a good sweeper late game too.
and tanks are supposed to hit hard, so gallade taking 'small hits from other tanks' is nothing to brag about. what is true is that gallade can 'hit them back harder with his massive att.' BINGO-make it a sweeper and u can slap on scarf to fit the role better.
what walls are weak against brick break/close comabat and psycho cut? sure it learns night slash to (maybe) kill of dusknoir, and (maybe) psycho cut can kill weezing. in order for this to work, u will need an adamant nature (which doesnt equate to a tank, does it) and EV trained in atk (again, is this gallade looking like a tank?) now i agree medicham w/ shoice scarf is killer, but y not gallade too? its like complaining about a heracross w/scarf (the two can run similar movesets too)
ur last paragraph is missing some periods/commas so i dun understand the rest of it =l but i am not underestimating gallade as OU (unless u wanna make it a tank >.>)

Gallade has Wish, mmmk? I'm not saying Scarflade will never work, I'm saying why would you use it when Medicham is so much better? Gallade can take hits and dish them out, and has amazing support options, and you are severely limiting it by Scarfing it. You want a Scarfed fighter, stick to Medicham. Gallade is attacking and support.

ok, medicham is a better scarfed fighter.
ok, umbreon is a better wish-passer.
but what can you do with a gallade w/ wish? ok, ur opponent nearly 1hko gallade, then gallade wishes. now what? switch? ok, fine, but wouldnt umbreon fit better for that role? umby can BP mean look as well, which can help in bunches.
then how abt if u WoW them first? still wont work with gallade's below avg speed. it will only delay the inevitable. ur opponent will almost 1hko u the first turn, b4 u WoW due to gallade's speed. then, if ur super lucky, ur opponent wun kill (very rare if i might add) and u wish and switch out. two things wrong about this:
ur opponent has enough brains to switch out his/her burned poke, so ur opp. gets a free switch as well. thats y umby's BPed mean look is useful.
ur gallade is nearly dead if ur lucky, and cannot survive another attack later on in the match.
and in general, by scarfing/specing/banding a poke, u are severely limited its choices, down to one attack if i can add, hence CHOICE band/specs/scarf

No, Choicers aren't limited since they hit hard with their attacks. They damage. A Scarf Gallade is limited solely to attacking, though, which is not what it does best.

And I mentioned Wish since someone mentioned it has no other recovery. Also, maybe you could use it when you're out against something that won't kill you? Maybe you can WoW their physical sweeper on the switch? And making them switch out if they're WoWed is a very good thing. They're stuck with a crippled poke for the match, unless they have a cleric, and about half the teams I see don't.

*Is confused*. I've seen on other sites recently that a new tier - the Modrately Used MU - has been introduced in between BL and UU..... does this tier make an acceptable change to the current 5-tier system or is it a load of tosh that I've found randomly out of nowhere?

I think Frost raises a few good points even though her avatar bothers me a little since it's technically a man. But that's capcom and this is something totally different

The one thing I disagree over is Swampert, he used to be incredibly good for a number of reasons and now he has physical water attacks, but there's one pretty big difference between now and then that might impact him.

Energy Ball and grass knot. They are standard on a lot of OU pokemon and now with Tangela's evo there's a bit more on the OU Grass scene. Being 4x weak to grass used to be no issue, pokemon would need hidden power grass to fight him most of the time.

But he's still pretty heavy so he takes good damage from both energy ball and grass knot.

i dont see why umbreon is a BL...it has great stats, a good BPer and annoyer...it's a great tank and special wall to switch in to...a very wide movepool...alot like a curselax but at least it can pass it's stats onto others(curselax is much better though), wish also helps others as well...so i'm curious why is he conisdered a BL?

Here, here! ^^

true....lol that clears it up...in the advance generation he was bomb on my team...but that makes sense...he's not as good now in DP...lol thanks, i was just curious about that

Alright, time to make my points.

First off, Ambipom. I know he's fast and has some decent attacks (Fake Out, Double Hit STAB Technician...) but his base stats are very low for OU. He's basically an annoyer that people use at the beginning of battles to catch the enemy off guard for a quick attack or two and then running away. Good, but belongs in BL.

Celebi? You have to be kidding. Great stats (tying Mew, an uber) but terrible, TERRIBLE weaknesses. Celebi's also basically limited to Baton Passing because of it's only decent attacking movepool. It can also use leech seed, but that's about it. I consider it another high-rating BL.

Gallade, as has been pointed out, is not worth of OU. Even though I already said it was a great choice scarfer (which it isn't) I've come to realize that Medicham is indeed better. Gallade just doesn't have the stats.

Let's face it, the one reason that you don't see most people running around with Heatran is that he's 4x weak to easily the most used physical attack in the game, Earthquake. He has good stats and typing otherwise, but not enough to fit in OU.

Houndoom lacks the stats, speed, and movepool of an OU. He's a good BL, but not good enough. His Dark only adds on a Fighting weakness along with a couple of resistances, which means good typing. Decent, but not good enough.

Staraptor's stats are only so-so, with only a decent ability. His movepool isn't great, and his defenses are awful. Not OU at all, with those downsides.

Torterra has 4x weakness to Ice and isn't fast enough to KO it's opponent before it gets hit or durable enough to live through Ice Beam usually. If it's Sp Def was higher, than yes, but for now we should shove it to BL.

Zapdos is only great if you can get Baton Pass onto it. Besides that... he has great defensive typing and decent defensive stats. He JUST NEEDS BATON PASS (Which, FYI, you must get in XD). I like Zapdos, but with such a necessity on one move I disagree with him being OU at all.


And, for all those who did not notice: BL AND OU MEAN THE SAME THING. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS THAT OU IS MORE OVERUSED AND A BIT MORE POWERFUL. THAT IS ALL.

What this essentially means is that it isn't the end of the world if your Umbreon or Ambipom ends up in BL, it just means that they are a tiny bit underclassed.

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Heatran is OU for sure. The 4x weak is the only thing keeping it out of Ubers. It works great with Scarf/Specs/Life Orb and is bulkier than you think.

EDIT: Why is it everywhere I go I see Chatot is NU? People need to think more. Name one NU counter.

And wtf is Seadra doing on the list?

The ones without a ? are for sure, and the ones with a ? are debatable. I only did BL and OU because I have no experience with the other tiers... This is just my opinion so I'm not forcing anyone to listen to me.